Deadly Statistics: The Link Between Homosexuality and AIDS
According to the CDC, as of the year 2000, 52% of all AIDS cases involved the homosexual community.
I have been called many things by many people, some think I hate them simply because I give them correction when they are doing wrong. I do not hate anyone, nor am I trying to be self- righteous. I have been called a bigot by people in the homosexual community because I stated in two previous articles that homosexuality is wrong. Statistically speaking though, the ravaging affects of the homosexual lifestyle are clearly seen.
According to the CDC, 52% of all AIDS cases are among the homosexual community.
This is a tragedy, dear friends I am not here to give any huge arguments or beat anyone over the head with any judgmental rhetoric, I am simply saying these deaths from AIDS are needless and preventable. I love people, I do not want to see them die!
I pray your eyes be opened, dear ones there is no excuse for this tragedy, you can call me a bigot or homophobic if you want to, but nonetheless I cannot condone a practice that clearly has devastating and disastrous consequences. If you are struggling with homosexual desires or know someone who is, I recommend the book You Don’t Have To Be Gay, by Jeff Konrad.
Dear readers Jeff used to struggle with the same homosexual desires many people today are facing. He has been there and there is a way out. I have read countless testimonies of people who overcame their homosexual behaviors and have gone on to live happy, healthy,disease free lives.
God Bless All who read this, and thank you for your time.
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Erica | Mar 8, 2008 | Reply
If 52% of AIDS cases are homosexuals, that means that 48% aren’t. Straight people die too.
The way to prevent AIDS is by practicing safe sex. Your partner’s gender doesn’t come into play.
John | Mar 8, 2008 | Reply
the Heterosexual statistics on AIDS are only 11%,while most of the other cases are contracted by sharing needles and 1% are contracted during blood transfusions. It has been proved in studies that homosexuals are at greater risk, not to mention the 1st cases were reported among them
P.S, from John | Mar 8, 2008 | Reply
by the way when I said most of the other cases I meant the other percentage AFTER the 52% among homosexuals,apparently “safe sex” is not working too well if the statistics are still that high, something needs to change
Lucy Lockett | Mar 8, 2008 | Reply
In the African nations it is heterosexuals at risk from AIDS.We all have choices on how we WANT to live.
Jupiter | Mar 8, 2008 | Reply
Studies have shown there is a link between homosexuality and AIDS, It was 1st reported among the homosexual and bisexual populations, actually many in the African nations are homosexual or bisexual more so than heterosexual, scientists say homosexual behavior creates more risk, nonetheless the fact is AIDS needs to cease,it is a plague.
Mike | Mar 8, 2008 | Reply
There are many, many studies that show a correlation between homosexual behavior and AIDS, Jupiter’s point is, the body count is rising and people are still indulging in the same behavior, if we want to stomp out AIDS, a drastic overhaul in behavior needs to take place. People cannot continue in the same risky lifestyles and expect different results!
Jake | Sep 12, 2008 | Reply
We need to slow/stop the promescuity. The AIDS virus does not care about gender, and punishing/blaming homosexuality entierly for this will only case more of the same problems. If they are not supported in relationships (homosexual monogomy, if anything, is opposed strongly by most conservatives and religious followers), they will continue satisfying their needs elsewhere.
Jupiter | Sep 12, 2008 | Reply
I am not ONLY blaming homosexuality, don’t misunderstand, but it is one of many immoral practices that leads to such illness, and as was previously stated the evidence is clearly supportive of that conclusion and you’d have to be blind not to see the correlation, the average lifespan of a homosexual is only 45 years. I was never here to do anything more than wake people up
monkey | Oct 22, 2008 | Reply
I TOTALLY AGREE WE NEED TO STOMP OUT THIS KILLER DIESAE IT ISN’T ONLY THE HOMOSEXUALES BUT OTHERS AS WELL BUT THOSE INGAGED IN HOMOSEXUALITY NEED 2 TAKE A LONG HARD LOOK INSIDE THIER BIBLES AND SEE WHAT GOD HAS 2 SAY ABOUT HOMOSEXUALS!!!!!!!!!!!!!qp
CJ | Oct 22, 2008 | Reply
Erica…
so let’s take a look at what you just said. 52% are homosexual cases and 48% aren’t. On the surface you think, that’s not a big difference and proves nothing. But let’s examine this, 52% of the cases of AIDS apply to a very small portion of people vs. 48% applying to a much, much larger portion of people. That means, for instance (completely made up stats to show my point), per capita that the 52% means 1 in 4 homosexuals are infected with the AIDS virus whereas the 48% means only 1 in 20 heterosexuals are infected with the virus. Again those are completely fabricated stats but used to illustrate my point. The fact is, the homosexual community has a much higher infection rate of the AIDS virus per capita over the rest of the population.
President of a High School's Gay/Stright Alliance | Dec 1, 2008 | Reply
I am a proud gay rights activist at my high school and pity the person who would use the Bible as a weapon of hate aginst love, gods gratest gift(if thier is a god). It is these kind of people that made me a frim agnostic and feel that every christern whants every gay, bi, lesbian and transgender person dead! Death and the abolishing of love, of any kind of people is not what I was hearing jesus say in the new testment. He spoke of love and forgivness and acepting the lame, the sick and the mad,dosn’t every person deserve love and respect? It is these people who have made the previous comments that make my fellow peers afrid to be who they are, fear their fellow man and fear to get close to anyone, are so many christens feeling so powerless that they need to make a minority fear them? I thought god was their power. One day we will look back on this hate, as we now do on the hate whities had for blacks and feel ashamed…
Another Straight person for LOVE | Dec 2, 2008 | Reply
Cite your Studies. (Jupiter, Mike)
I personally believe that the only reason HIV/AIDS is more common among gay people is because Gay People do not practice safe sex as often, “I’m not going to get pregnant, so why do I need a condom?” People think of condoms as birth control, not Disease preventer.
Pathogens do not discriminate.
To Jake:
thank you, by ALLOWING GAY MARRIAGE, we will support MONOGAMY, and help fight PROMISCUITY. thus FIGHTING AIDS.
to Monkey:
I think people should take a long hard look into their bibles and see what it says about love and compassion. and I’m not educated on religion, but I’m reasonably sure jesus, God, Allah, Zeus or whoever didn’t want gay men sodomized with metal pipes and then choked to death with a dildo.
as well i would love to see these studies that state AIDS and Homosexuality are linked.
Joe | Dec 2, 2008 | Reply
Nobody is using the Bible as a “weapon against love” the Bible calls homosexuality an abomination for a reason,because it is unnatural and anytime a person goes against the laws of nature there are consequences,God puts his laws in place to protect his children,Homosexuals typically die young, has anyone ever thought about Why?
Matt | Dec 2, 2008 | Reply
Pathogens don’t discriminate,that’s true, but homosexuality is one practice that raises people’s chances of contracting disease,that has been proven by scientists, do research nobody is saying “kill gays” what we are saying is that their lifestyle IS killing them, left and right, I would not wish AIDS on anyone, so with that said I agree with Jupiter I cannot condone a practice that has deadly reprecussions.
another straight person for LOVE | Dec 2, 2008 | Reply
“Homosexuals typically die young”
“Homosexuality is one practice that raises people’s chances of contracting disease”
and conventional sex is not? and don’t talk about gay people partaking in anal sex, Plenty of straight couples enjoy and engage in anal sex all the time, in fact, at one time i conducted a survey at my high school, and a good 75% of people admitted to having anal sex at some point. I only surveyed 2 gay people, out of 50
Sex period is a way to raise your chances of contracting disease.
Jupiter | Dec 3, 2008 | Reply
this article was for infomative purposes if you have something to contribute to the messages then fine, as I have stated I did my research and talked to a number of people, so please before attacking me or the article,do your own research, the statistics are directly from the CDC, and anyone that has studied more than superficially knows that there is a proven link, if you run a search you’ll find more than enough research supporting everything stated in my article
Matt | Dec 3, 2008 | Reply
Jupiter, you’ve given people the information, whether they listen or not is on them, but I find it absolutely surprising that people keep indulging in the same immoral behaviors and then wonder why they keep ending up with the same consequences, you can’t defy nature and then expect there not to be a price
A lttle piece of advice
“If you keep doing what you’ve been doing you’ll keep getting what you’ve been getting”
Just food for thought
Kenna Coconut | Dec 3, 2008 | Reply
“I am not ONLY blaming homosexuality, don’t misunderstand, but it is one of many immoral practices that leads to such illness …”
How is homosexuality any less moral that heterosexuality, when more homosexuals are willing to marry the one the choose to have sex with?
And homosexuality is not a disease, not a sickness, not a sin. The Bible is very circumlocutory on the issue of homosexuality. The only time in the English Bible in which it is explicitly meantioned is a mistranslation from the Greek language and was meant to condemn pedastry and prostitution. Go do some research of your own and stop living so ignorantly! It’s not your fault that you don’t know exactly what you are talking about, and it can be helped. Learn more about Christianity and then revise this article so you don’t falsely condemn anymore innocent people!
Joe | Dec 3, 2008 | Reply
Homosexuality IS a sin,it is unnatural and was condemned early on in the old testament and yet again in the new testament,read the book of Romans chapter one,(New Testament)it was not a “mistranslation”
pay specific attention to verses 21-32. Further,the Bible warns in 1 Timothy 4 that in the last days there will be some that depart from the faith having their consciences seared with a hot iron
the Author does know what he is talking about,and it is Biblically sound. I am not surprised by the backlash this article has recieved though because the Bible states in 2 Timothy 4 that there will come a time when some will not endure sound doctrine but will instead follow the lusts and imaginations of their own hearts.
read | Dec 3, 2008 | Reply
Romans 1:21-27 (King James Version)
21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
The Bible is crystal clear about the consequences for willful deliberate rebellion, You can debate all day with the author,but that won’t change what is written in the Word of God.
God gave Jesus to redeem us from our sin,but that was not a liscense to sin. Jesus is our Savior,but God is not mocked willful rebellion does have repercussions, and Jesus is returning, we will all give account for the things we have done.
The author is trying to give people a wake up call,you might turn a blind eye and deaf ear to the author, but what will you tell Jesus? You won’t be able to say “in my opinion homosexuality is ok” because God gave us His laws for a reason and nobody has an excuse for willful rebellion.
John Quinn | Dec 3, 2008 | Reply
Kenna, you said
“The Bible is very circumlocutory on the issue of homosexuality” the Bible however is clear on the issue in more than one area as was already pointed out above.
I have read and studied the Bible since I was young and
Homosexuality is condemned,no amount of angry arguing will change that fact.
I’d say before you go attacking the article at least get your facts straight,furthermore be careful who you listen to because there are many teachers out there that seek only to tickle people’s ears by telling them that their corrupt lifestyles and lusts are “ok”
That blatantly goes against the Bible,and If a teacher is teaching things that go against the Bible,then they are false teachers. Homosexuality is not supported anywhere in the Bible, God’s word will still be around long after mankind’s agendas fall to pieces,and mankind will give account, that is an inescapable truth.
bryant | Dec 8, 2008 | Reply
oh come on. according to statistics, Worldwide, more than 80 percent of all adult HIV infections have resulted from heterosexual intercourse.
James Robert Farrell | Dec 9, 2008 | Reply
I hate to break it to you bryant, but your research is flawed….I have to wonder where you got it, and why the “smile” sign? b/c you made your statistics up? The CDC has confirmed that the very first HIV cases were found among the homosexual/bisexual community, the reason it found its way into the heterosexual community at all is because many “bisexuals” were having promiscuous unporotected liaisons with both sexes.
Information For Your Education,continued | Dec 9, 2008 | Reply
The median age of death for homosexuals, however, was virtually the same nationwide – and, overall, about 2% survived to old age. If AIDS was the cause of death, the median age was 39. For the 829 gays who died of something other than AIDS, the median age of death was 42 and 9% died old. The 163 lesbians had a median age of death of 44 and 20% died old.
Even when AIDS was not involved, homosexuals frequently met an early demise. Three percent of gays died violently. They were 116 times more apt to be murdered, much more apt to commit suicide, and had high traffic-accident death-rates. Heart attacks, cancer and liver failure were exceptionally common. 18% of lesbians died of murder, suicide, or accidents – a rate 456 times higher than that of white females aged 25-44.5 Age distributions of samples of homosexuals in the scientific literature from 1858 to 1997 suggest a similarly shortened lifespan. . . .
The Gay Legacy
Homosexuals rode into the dawn of sexual freedom and returned with multiple plagues that may very well destroy most of them. Those who treat AIDS patients are at great risk, not only from HIV infection, which, as of 1996 involved about 200 health care workers, but also from TB and new strains of other diseases. Those who are housed with AIDS patients are also at risk.
At least 8 new sexually transmitted germs were identified between 1980 and 1997. Dr. Max Essex, chair of the Harvard AIDS Institute, warned Congress in 1992 that “AIDS has already led to other kinds of dangerous epidemics.
how | Dec 12, 2008 | Reply
how are you at risk for living with an AIDS patient? you’re at risk if you have sex with them, you’re at risk if you trade needles, you’re at risk if you have any sort of transmission of fluids. not if you live with them.
response to "how" | Dec 12, 2008 | Reply
If they have an open wound or something like that they may accidently pass it on to people around them,just like someone with any contagious illness of the blood.
Gem | Dec 12, 2008 | Reply
Years ago there was an HIV patient that was deliberately infecting people, the case didn’t get a lot of press covage but I believe(If I recall) the man was charged with murder
Joe | Dec 12, 2008 | Reply
read this , Dec 12, 2008
http://www.thespec.com/article/456195
it’s related to what Gem said
John | Jan 1, 2009 | Reply
whoever left the last comment,I am neither uneducated or trying to “attack” anyone, I am trying to save lives with this article. I do not write out of hate, so keep your bitterness off my pages, do your research and you will plainly see homosexuality is an unhealthy behavior, there is plenty of proof of that.
Although activists and people with a humanistic agenda turn a blind eye to it, the fact remains,Homosexuality is wrong.
Jess | Mar 6, 2009 | Reply
I am neither an expert in the field, nor a religious follower. However, although HIV/AIDS rode into America more noticeably within the gay community, the reality is that HIV/AIDS effects both male/female, straight, gay or lesbian people. The virus does not pick and choose who to effect, nor does it discriminate. Any contact with the bodily fluids of a person infected with HIV/AIDS puts you in great risk of contacting the virus. The AIDS plague has to do with lack of education, not the practice of homosexual behaviour. More education on the safety of sexual practices, as well as encouraging STI testing before sleeping with a new partner would greatly decrease the transmission of HIV to a new person. Although homosexual couples do indeed have a higher rate of infection with HIV, this does not mean that their relationships are immoral nor wrong. A relationship based on love and support is the right kind of relationship, regardless of sexual orientation. Many straight couples practice anal sex, something commonnly done by gay males. This also raises the chance of a straight couple contracting an infectious disease.
John- I feel that you cannot provide proper evidence to back up your comments about “homosexuality is wrong” or that you are trying to save lives. Being homosexual does not mean that you are condemned to early death. And if you are trying to save lives, perhaps you could reach out to the young straight people (who make up a good majority of the population) and teach them about sexual safety instead of targeting homosexuals as being the cause of great evils.
Robert | Mar 6, 2009 | Reply
Dear Jess, not to be “bashing” but you stated
” Although homosexual couples do indeed have a higher rate of infection with HIV, this does not mean that their relationships are immoral nor wrong.”
I beg to differ,
The very fact that they do have a higher risk is sufficient support of John’s point,there are written reports from the CDC that also support his point.
The average life expectancy for homosexuals (according to the CDC) is 46 years.
Anyway, In another article, John does address promiscuity as well so he is not “attacking” anyone. Only trying to help save lives. as for safe sex, obviously condoms and so forth are not working something needs to change
P.S. from robert | Mar 7, 2009 | Reply
The CDC=Center for disease Control,and they ARE experts in the field, so….just something to think on.
mike | May 9, 2009 | Reply
Jesus told the woman caught in adultry…
“I DON’T CONDEMN YOU. GO AND SIN NO MORE.”
Jesus loved the sinner but hated the sin. All sin. He would say the exact same thing to anyone involved in any act of sex outside the bounds of marriage between a man and a woman. Whether its adultry, homosexuality, incest, rape, beastiality, pedophilia, necrophilia, etc. All sexual sin is condemned in the Scriptures. Not just homosexuality, although that seems to get the most attention. Jesus does love you, but He does not want you to sin any more. STOP NOW! Confess and recieve His forgiveness. Eternal life hangs in the balance.
Janna | Aug 31, 2009 | Reply
we christians don’t want all gays and lesbians and bis to be dead. God hates the sin, not the sinner, and we strive to be the same.
Neea | Sep 2, 2009 | Reply
So, according to your article John, I am going to die sooner than hetero-sexuals just because I’m homo-sexual? You claim that you are not writing this out of hatred or to insult anyone. How can you claim, that you are not insulting me by calling ME sinful and IMMORAL? Do you really think I can just become a hetero-sexual as easily as saying “Hallelujah!”, or that Jesus will help me prefer men over women? My feelings sexually are the same for men as hetero-sexual women have for women; My legs are not sweeped under me. How could I engage in a passionate relationship with someone when I don’t even want to have sex with the person? Also, there are animals that are homo-sexual, yet you claimed homo-sexuality is unnatural? What about the FACT of over-population on this planet? I believe it was nature’s intention to balance the population with homo-sexuals. I do not believe in God anymore, the very same commandments about homo-sexuality in the Al-Qur’an made me choose a different path. Since I became an apostate from Islam at 13 years of age, I’ve received nothing more than insults, rejection and yes, DEATH THREATS from even my own FATHER! The commandments of religion that prevent me from choosing the person that I would be to spent the rest of my life having a passionate and loving relationship with to me is wrong. How would you like it if I called your bible’s commandments on homo-sexuality as SATANIC VERSES?
Now, why homo-sexuality is no more wrong than hetero-sexuality is. The virus is much more easily transmitted where there are interruptions in the integrity of the tissue surface — i.e. Tears. Rectal tissue tears more easily than vaginal, and that’s why transmission rates are three to twenty times higher for the receptive partner in (gay or straight) anal sex with ejaculation than for a woman having penetrative vaginal sex with ejaculation.
Gay men do what straight people do in bed. They do what they feel comfortable with and enjoy doing. This can be non-penetrative sex, oral sex, or simply kissing and touching each other.
Often, people think that sex between men is all about anal sex – it isn’t, but anal sex carries the greatest risk in terms of contracting or transmitting HIV. You can’t ‘create’ HIV or an STD by having anal sex, but it is a high-risk activity. You can reduce the risks by using a condom properly.
If homo-sexuals are more likely to have AIDS than hetero-sexuals, why is it that lesbians are more likely to NOT have AIDS than hetero-sexuals because of lack of penetrational activity?
There’s nothing wrong with being homo-sexual. The only thing I learned from religion (i.e Islam) was the saying. “Unto you your way and unto me mine”
Peace.
Robert | Sep 2, 2009 | Reply
Neea said “So, according to your article John, I am going to die sooner than hetero-sexuals just because I’m homo-sexual?”
Neea, John is trying to save your life, not harm you. You completely missed John’s point because you saw hate where there is none, homosexual advocacy groups have done a bang up job brainwashing homosexuals to always think that if someone speaks against their behavior, that person must hate them even though reality is that’s not the case.
John said homosexuality is detrimental, gave the evidence, and did not beat anyone over the head with it, as for “overpopulation” that’s liberal propaganda. If it’s overpopulated where you are, go to a different location.
As for homosexual behavior in animals, that is not a justification for it in humans. (Keep in mind animals also practice eating their young etc)
John wrote this because he DOES NOT want people to die, Jesus Christ came to forgive sin, and to give LIFE, condemning the lifestyle is not condemning the person.
Homosexuality is immoral, as is drunkenness and fornication or any other sin. The good news of the gospel is that Jesus CAN and WILL forgive, and yes He can renew and transform your heart if you are willing to let him.
As for your blasphemous comments, I will pray for you.
Good day.
look | Sep 2, 2009 | Reply
Neea said “How could I engage in a passionate relationship with someone when I don’t even want to have sex with the person? ”
Love is not just about feeding sexual desires Neea.
Neea went on to say “Since I became an apostate from Islam at 13 years of age, I’ve received nothing more than insults, rejection and yes, DEATH THREATS from even my own FATHER!”
John never wished death on you, in fact He wants you to have life, your lifestyle however IS dangerous. I’m sorry that some people have given you death threats and that that has caused you to view anyone against homosexuality as a threat to you as a person.
Despite what you think, It is possible to love the person while not advocating their behavior. Example, I don’t advocate smoking or drinking, but that doesn’t mean I am “hating” smokers or drinkers as people, I just don’t approve their detrimental behavior.
As for condoms, they don’t work quite as well as some people would have others think.
Final thoughts | Sep 2, 2009 | Reply
Dear Neea, you asked \”If homo-sexuals are more likely to have AIDS than hetero-sexuals, why is it that lesbians are more likely to NOT have AIDS than hetero-sexuals because of lack of penetrational activity?\”
You are aware that even many in the LGBT community admit there are higher cancer rates in lesbians right? AIDS is not the only problem out there.
I am writing to you, because I want you informed, my sister was an active lesbian for years, but she overcame those behaviors and is now happily married to a man, I know of several people who overcame the homosexual activity.
Neea | Sep 2, 2009 | Reply
“Neea, John is trying to save your life, not harm you. You completely missed John’s point because you saw hate where there is none, homosexual advocacy groups have done a bang up job brainwashing homosexuals to always think that if someone speaks against their behavior, that person must hate them even though reality is that’s not the case”
You’ve been doing a fantastic job at improving our sinning, evil homo-sexual perverts lives, thank you for that! Thanks to you, all those homo-phobes out there are sooooo much tolerant towards us!
“If it’s overpopulated where you are, go to a different location.”
You really think it’s black and white like that? The water supply and food are going to end up the more the population of the earth grow, that is a fact. Check the population of the earth NOW and what it will be in a decade.
“As for homosexual behavior in animals, that is not a justification for it in humans. (Keep in mind animals also practice eating their young etc)”
It is natural afterall. Keep in mind we cause wars, do aborts, etc.
“John wrote this because he DOES NOT want people to die, Jesus Christ came to forgive sin, and to give LIFE, condemning the lifestyle is not condemning the person.”
Then make the world A MORE TOLERANT PLACE instead of spreading lies that will only encourage violent homo-phobes!
“Homosexuality is immoral”
Religion is immoral
(See, I can play that too)
“As for your blasphemous comments, I will pray for you.”
Don’t bother.
“As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur). They are deaf, dumb and blind, and shall never return. Soon will they cry for perdition, invoking destruction, throwing them into the scorching fire. They shall enter the fire and be forced to taste its burning.” – The “Holy” Qur’an.
“Love is not just about feeding sexual desires Neea”
I agree, I made that point already, although how can I be with a person who knows that I am not attracted to him? How would that make you feel if your wife/husband didn’t want to have sex with you because she/he found you unattractive?
“your lifestyle however IS dangerous.”
“As for condoms, they don’t work quite as well as some people would have others think.”
= “There is no hope, dig a grave and die”.
Ofcourse condoms work, you’re just trying to keep us away from condoms to support your cause.
“You are aware that even many in the LGBT community admit there are higher cancer rates in lesbians right? AIDS is not the only problem out there.”
Oh yeah… Blame the cancer on homo-sexuals now too. Fantastic. Besides, you failed to point out why homo-sexual females have less AIDS than hetero-sexuals.
“I know of several people who overcame the homosexual activity.”
I know of several people who commited suicide because of bullies like you. Do you think we’re all the same and can just change like that?
No matter what you claim about being loving and tolerant, you are still insulting me and countless of other people when you say who I love is a sin. You should really be ashamed of yourselves.
Robert | Sep 2, 2009 | Reply
Neea, you can claim we “hate” you all day long but you know full well that’s not the case, you said “Oh yeah… Blame the cancer on homo-sexuals now too. Fantastic” Nobody is blaming cancer on homosexuals, but it is true lesbians have a higher risk. The term “homophobe” implies a fear of homosexuals, but John disapproves of homosexuality because it is detrimental to the practitioners, he does not fear homosexuals. Jesus loved the sinner but he did not approve of the sin, I guess you think He is a “bigot” too?
I am genuinely sorry that there are people that fear homosexuals, but….we don’t despite what you think.
If you want to play up the sympathies of those that approve your lifestyle, that’s your choice, but the fact remains it is unhealthy. No matter how much you accuse us of “spreading lies” the medical research shows you are wrong.
Neea | Sep 2, 2009 | Reply
“the medical research shows you are wrong.”
Tell me, do gay people use condoms as often as hetero-sexuals? No, because the reason for it is always thought to prevent pregnancy. Since you’re gay, you’re not gonna get pregnant by having sex with the same gender, you refuse to take this into account and rely your whole claim on the “52% of all AIDS cases involved the homosexual community.”. Still I’ve not been told why lesbians have less AIDS than hetero-sexuals, I thought all homo-sexuals are at a much higher risk to AIDS. What I find very common, is that RELIGIOUS people are the ones claiming homo-sexuality is wrong and a sin, etc. When again atheists, agnostics, and other non-religious people have no trouble with homo-sexuality at all. Is it because you’re trying to claim credibility to your bible?
“Neea, you can claim we “hate” you all day long but you know full well that’s not the case”
I never claimed you hate me, but nevertheless you are insulting me whether you like it or not. If you people were really interested in the well-being of innocent human beings that are victims of AIDS, you wouldn’t be trying to ban homo-sexuality but to provide a better education about diseases and of safe sex… You know? Like Finland is doing? It is all about safe sex, not because of someone’s sexual-orientation. If you really think you’re saving us by claiming homo-sexuality is wrong, then I suggest you tell that to the families who’ve lost their daughters and sons because of this stupidity you’re spreading!
Stop trying to save us by preventing us from loving eachother, we’re much better off without you!
Robert | Sep 2, 2009 | Reply
Dear Neea, you said “Ofcourse condoms work, you’re just trying to keep us away from condoms to support your cause”
Nobody is saying not to use condoms, sorry for the misunderstanding, the point being made was they aren’t AS effective as people think.
By the way, the center for disease control is not a religious organization. It’s a medical organization, nobody is spreading “stupidity” despite your claim. We are trying to educate the masses (gay and straight alike)
You go on to say ” I never claimed you hate me, but nevertheless you are insulting me whether you like it or not. If you people were really interested in the well-being of innocent human beings that are victims of AIDS, you wouldn’t be trying to ban homo-sexuality but to provide a better education about diseases and of safe sex… You know? Like Finland is doing? It is all about safe sex,”
If “safe sex” and condoms were so effective why are there still multitudes dying my friend? Think about that.
Not here to attack you, just here to inform. Take care
As for why lesbians have less AIDS occurences here’s why
lesbians have less of a risk because there is less of an exchange of body fluids during lesbian intimacy than during homosexual male intimacy.
JohnKing | Sep 2, 2009 | Reply
Dear Neea, you might be interested to know I have known several homosexuals, they know I do not hate them, I don’t approve their lifestyle, but I have no hate for anyone. I wrote this, because many HAVE accused me of hate, those that know me know I write because I care about them. Think what you will, nonetheless I do not hate anyone, disagreeing with an action is an entirely different thing than hating a person, can you understand that? I would never wish death on anyone, either by their own actions or someone else’s.
Jesus came to give life, I love people, even though I disapprove of the homosexual lifestyle, I don’t condemn the person, as was stated above, Jesus told us to Love people, He didn’t mince words when he disapproved of Sin though.
I am just the messenger, I didn’t make the rules, if you have a problem with the message, take it up with God.
Neea | Sep 3, 2009 | Reply
“If “safe sex” and condoms were so effective why are there still multitudes dying my friend? Think about that.”
Because people do not bother with condoms, they do not take the risk as seriously as they should which is EXACTLY why it should be taught in school on health education. Not to mention people living in certain places do not have condoms.
“As for why lesbians have less AIDS occurences here’s why
lesbians have less of a risk because there is less of an exchange of body fluids during lesbian intimacy than during homosexual male intimacy.”
Exactly
The virus is much more easily transmitted where there are interruptions in the integrity of the tissue surface — i.e. Tears. Rectal tissue tears more easily than vaginal, and that’s why transmission rates are three to twenty times higher for the receptive partner in (gay or straight) anal sex with ejaculation than for a woman having penetrative vaginal sex with ejaculation.
So, why are you claiming that homo-sexuals need to be saved? Lesbians are at a less risk catching AIDS than hetero-sexuals are, so why are you focusing it on HOMO-SEXUALS instead of unsafe anal sex and unsafe vaginal sex?
“By the way, the center for disease control is not a religious organization”
Well you could’ve fooled me, care to browse the comments and see how many times someone mentioned Jesus?
Do you people realize that you are encouraging people commit suicide because you tell them what they do is wrong? And when those people cannot shake those feelings they have, they believe they are evil which’ll lead to depression and to suicide.
“I am just the messenger, I didn’t make the rules, if you have a problem with the message, take it up with God.”
Maybe I will.
Robert | Sep 3, 2009 | Reply
Neea you stated “Do you people realize that you are encouraging people commit suicide because you tell them what they do is wrong?” Discouraging a detrimental action is not hating a person.
You are basically saying that giving correction is wrong,however I KNOW that if you saw a loved one practicing a dangerous action, you’d discourage it, that’s all we’re doing because we DON’T WANT to see people die, by suicide or otherwise.
Please, think.
Short message | Sep 3, 2009 | Reply
Neea, you acknowledge the dangers of the behavior you’re propagating, but you still propagate it anyway? The definition of insanity according to einstein is “doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results” which seems to be exactly what you are doing. Many Homosexual advocacy groups know homosexuality is dangerous yet they ENCOURAGE it anyway because they’re putting their agendas ahead of even their health.
I also happen to know for a fact that many in the homosexual community berate those that leave the lifestyle, saying they are “faking” a change, thus discouraging people from leaving.
Neea(The devil) | Sep 3, 2009 | Reply
“You are basically saying that giving correction is wrong”
You failed to look at my message from my point of view. From my point of view you are giving false “corrections” instead of focusing onto the real subject. But do you acknowledge that you are helping people die, no point trying to circle around that question. The fact that you’re all blaming it on homo-sexuality when lesbians have less AIDS than hetero-sexuals and that Jesus has been mentioned on almost every comment here tells ALOT! You’re hypocrites… Refute that fact and you’ll increase my chances of being “saved”.
“Please, think.”
Dear Neea | Sep 3, 2009 | Reply
Nobody here is “helping people die” by the way, if we hated you, we wouldn’t bother discouraging a lifestyle that is detrimental, regardless of your point of view, the evidence that homosexuality is not healthy is overwhelming. You’ve willingly ignored it so there’s nothing more we can say. You only call us hypocrites because we don’t rally around you in support of your lifestyle like you want us to.
Jesus did not overlook sin, he pointed it out and gave correction saying “go and sin no more” which is all we are doing. Yes Jesus has been mentioned in the comments because we are Christians, Anyway, It is time we wipe the dust from our feet and move on.
May you one day understand.
Neea | Sep 3, 2009 | Reply
“the evidence that homosexuality is not healthy is overwhelming”
Really now? Tell me how hetero-sexuals have more AIDS than lesbians then, meaning they are healthier in sex? It is infact you who’ve ignored it, not me.
“Anyway, It is time we wipe the dust from our feet and move on.”
Yes, shut up and leave us alone.
Robert | Sep 3, 2009 | Reply
The only bitterness here is coming from the side that advocates your lifestyle Neea,as for lesbians, lesbians have less fluid exchange, that has been discussed. Right now, your anger/rage is blinding you and deafening your ears. Nobody here hates you, if you want to say anyone does then that’s your choice, but that won’t change the fact that John wrote this because he cares. We warn you of the dangers of what you are doing, and you hate US for it. Nonetheless, as was stated, I hope one day your eyes are open, I let you go, Take care.
Neea | Sep 3, 2009 | Reply
“Nobody here hates you”
I never freaking claimed that, but you are just providing ammunition (which is false by the way) to the homo-phobes that are reading this discussion.
“We warn you of the dangers of what you are doing”
I’m healthier sex-wise than hetero-sexuals are since I’m a lesbian (aka Homo-sexual), I should be warning you.
Mike | Sep 3, 2009 | Reply
There is nothing false in the article, nor are any of the Christians here fueling homophobia. People that discourage homosexuality are no more homophobic than someone that discourages drunkenness is alcophobic or someone that discourages smoking is smokophobic.
ALL FORM of sexual immorality (or other sins) are wrong. We are not encouraging violence or hate,we are saying “Go, and Sin no more”, we are also saying, “we love you we don’t want you harming yourselves” how in the world can you construe that as hate?
Neea | Sep 3, 2009 | Reply
“ALL FORM of sexual immorality (or other sins) are wrong”
Being homo-sexual and having no sex, but only intimate touching and kissing is still immoral? I have a feeling I know what you base that on, your bible.
“There is nothing false in the article, nor are any of the Christians here fueling homophobia.”
Yes, there is. It is claiming homo-sexuals are in greater risk of having AIDS than hetero-sexuals, when infact that is incorrect; Lesbians have less AIDS than hetero-sexuals. It should be focusing on unsafe sex instead of homo-sexuality. By saying that homo-sexuality is wrong instead of saying unsafe sex is wrong, you are fueling certain people to hate homo-sexuals. It’s like saying people in somalia are less intelligent than white people in western countries because they are black, not because they are uneducated.
Mark | Sep 3, 2009 | Reply
Though the Centers for Disease Control (CDC), the Massachussetts Department of Public Health and numerous other sources have long compiled data showing the tremendous health risks associated with homosexual behavior, most homosexual activists vehemently deny these hazards and dismiss them as religious propaganda.
But now a Canadian pro-homosexual group called Canadian Rainbow Health Coalition has admitted these elevated health risks as a key element of the basis of a lawsuit they have filed against the Canadian government health service.
From LifeSiteNews:
· The life expectancy for gay and bisexual men is 20 years less than the average Canadian man;
· Homosexual men comprise 76% of AIDS cases and 45% of all new HIV infections;
· GLB populations are at a higher risk of lung and liver cancer;
· Homosexual and bisexual men suffer a higher rate of anal cancer than heterosexual men;
· Lesbians report a higher rate of breast cancer;
· · GLBs experience verbal and physical abuse at a greater rate than most Canadians.
Of course, the new “out” to avoid facing the truth about the self-destructiveness of this behavior is the claim that all this is because of all the “homophobia” out there, and the lack of government loot being spent on them.
If the life expectancy of chronic drunks is less than that of the general population, can that diminished life expectancy be blamed on the fact that society has a negative image of drunks and refuses to accept their behavior as legitimate?
If the life expectancy of smokers is less than that of the general population, can that diminished life expectancy be blamed on the fact that society has a negative image of smokers and refuses to accept their behavior as legitimate?
If the life expectancy of prostitutes is less than that of the general population, can that diminished life expectancy be blamed on the fact that society has a negative image of prostitutes and refuses to accept their behavior as legitimate?
Logic, reason and common sense tell us that the same is true of homosexuals (That the behavior itself is risky) and that whining to the contrary is an attempt to avoid the hard truth about a self-destructive lifestyle.
Neea | Sep 4, 2009 | Reply
“Over the past few months we have learnt of a number of reports regarding a paper we published in the International Journal of Epidemiology on the gay and bisexual life expectancy in Vancouver in the late 1980s and early 1990s.1 From these reports it appears that our research is being used by select groups in US2 and Finland3 to suggest that gay and bisexual men live an unhealthy lifestyle that is destructive to themselves and to others. These homophobic groups appear more interested in restricting the human rights of gay and bisexuals rather than promoting their health and well being.
The aim of our research was never to spread more homophobia, but to demonstrate to an international audience how the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men can be estimated from limited vital statistics data. In our paper, we demonstrated that in a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age 20 years for gay and bisexual men is 8 to 21 years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality continued, we estimated that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged 20 years would not reach their 65th birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre were experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by men in Canada in the year 1871. In contrast, if we were to repeat this analysis today the life expectancy of gay and bisexual men would be greatly improved. Deaths from HIV infection have declined dramatically in this population since 1996. As we have previously reported there has been a threefold decrease in mortality in Vancouver as well as in other parts of British Columbia.4
It is essential to note that the life expectancy of any population is a descriptive and not a prescriptive mesaure.5 Death is a product of the way a person lives and what physical and environmental hazards he or she faces everyday. It cannot be attributed solely to their sexual orientation or any other ethnic or social factor. If estimates of an individual gay and bisexual man’s risk of death is truly needed for legal or other purposes, then people making these estimates should use the same actuarial tables that are used for all other males in that population. Gay and bisexual men are included in the construction of official population-based tables and therefore these tables for all males are the appropriate ones to be used.
In summary, the aim of our work was to assist health planners with the means of estimating the impact of HIV infection on groups, like gay and bisexual men, not necessarily captured by vital statistics data and not to hinder the rights of these groups worldwide. Overall, we do not condone the use of our research in a manner that restricts the political or human rights of gay and bisexual men or any other group.”
http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/full/30/6/1499
The primary mode of transmission of HIV between men is through anal sex without a condom (sometimes called “bare back sex”). For young gay men there may be particular problems with trying to practice safer sex. Some young gay men may not feel secure about obtaining or using extra strong condoms for anal sex because if they are seen purchasing or in possession of them it might be interpreted as a disclosure of gay identity. They also rarely have the benefit of sex education in school in which sexual behaviour between same-sex partners is discussed. This can make it very hard for young gay men to feel comfortable about negotiating safer sex.
is that lesbians as a group, have a higher incidence of certain risk factors known to be linked to breast cancer.
Those risk factors are:
# having never birthed a child,
# obesity,
# smoking
# alcohol use.
Medical studies show:
# The risk of breast cancer is reduced by as much as 50 percent for women who have had one child.
# Nearly 30 percent of lesbians are obese compared to 20 percent for women overall.
# Lesbians do not drink more than the general population, but have a greater history of problems with alcohol.
# Lesbians are also more likely to use tobacco.
On top of this, Dr. Hudson reports that lesbians are less likely to perform self-breast exams, get clinical breast exams and mammograms.
Another complicating factor is that lesbians are less likely to have health insurance, partially because many businesses do not offer offer domestic partner benefits.
Lesbians may be less likely to visit a doctor for fear of homophobia, or simply the uncomfortableness associated with coming out.
For straight women, primary contact with the health care system is through reproductive health. Since most lesbians do not use birth control or have children, they may miss early detection of breast cancer or other diseases that women who regularly visit the doctor may be screened for.
Dear Neea | Sep 4, 2009 | Reply
Interesting information, but the goal of THIS article by John was not homophobia, just so you know. It was meant to reach out to the homosexual community and others with information. Homosexuals are not the ONLY group of people @ risk for AIDS or other health problems, no, but the behavior does have risks which have been acknowledged by major health organizations and are documented.
You’ve asked that we let you be Neea, so I’m going to let you go as I said, your life is your life, but dear friend we DO NOT hate you (I never said you claimed we did but that’s what your comments seem to assume by the attitude.)
Take care.
Neea | Sep 4, 2009 | Reply
“but the goal of THIS article by John was not homophobia, just so you know.”
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“we DO NOT hate you”
….
“It was meant to reach out to the homosexual community and others with information.”
I did not see any referance about hetero-sexuals, only that “homo-sexuality is wrong” Which is obiviously based on the bible and that gay men do not use condoms as much as hetero-sexuals do. That is what I’ve been saying all along, homo-sexuality is not “wrong”, having unprotected sex is unhealthy but still not “wrong”. It is like inclining, that a hetero-sexual having oral sex with opposite gender is less likely to have AIDS than homo-sexual having oral sex with the same gender, BECAUSE HE’S A “SINNER”!
So, make this crystal clear for me on what do you guys believe? Is God giving AIDS to homo-sexuals as a punishment or is it the result of unprotected sex?
Jonathan R | Sep 12, 2009 | Reply
Any behavior that is harmful, is best not done, Neea is angry but the fact remains homosexuality is detrimental and no one is being “homophobic” here.
Promiscuity/unprotected sex are detrimental as well, I find it ironic that Neea discourages unprotected sex but encourages homosexuality.
(which is basically like discouraging a heroine user but encouraging a smoker)
They’re BOTH bad for people, Neea you yourself acknowledge the behaviors you advocate are detrimental (even while you do claim they are less detrimental to lesbians)
Lesbians however have a higher risk for breast cancer and that is a known MEDICAL fact.
Anyway, I will not harp on the issue as it has already been thoroughly discussed.
By the way you said in a previous comment “It is natural afterall. Keep in mind we cause wars, do aborts, etc.” wars and abortion are detrimental.
By your comment though I take it that along with homosexuality you advocate war and abortion or did I misunderstand what you meant to say?
Trying to justify one negative behavior by saying people do others does nothing to help your standing, in fact it makes one wonder if you are rational at all.
yinzara | Oct 7, 2009 | Reply
First I would like to say that everyone in the world should be entitled to their own opinion and beliefs. Depriving anyone of that God given right, is to distance yourself from God and everything that he stands for, no matter what your religious background is.
All of you have a right to comment on your opinions or beliefs. However, when those opinions or beliefs are pushed upon another, that\\\’s when they become harmful.
All of the statistics presented in this thread are called \\\”correlative\\\”. This means that when you do a statistical analysis of the variables you\\\’re testing, that there is a high correlation between some of those variables. However, the common misconception a great portion of the world makes is that correlation means causality. Which means if event A and event B happen frequently together, either A is caused by B or B is caused by A.
Unfortunately, this is completely and totally false (in fact the CDC itself has published articles warning of drawing causal conclusion from their statistical publishings). The CDC is not a religious organization. The statistics the CDC puts out are simply that, statistics. Taking those statistics and drawing a correlation does not prove or actually even imply anything. The reason is that you\\\’re only taking a small set of variables in to account.
For example, there has been a survey comparing people who have been conviced of murder to those who haven\\\’t and there was found to be an extremely strong correlation between tendency to murder and affinity towards ice cream. In fact, the results were considered to be more than statistically significant which a statistician would consider to be a extremely strong correlation. By all accounts of people using statistical anlysis from this discussion thread, ice cream must therefore cause people to murder others (or contrarily, those who muder others will start to really like ice cream). Of course, this seems completely silly to all of us. However, the logic used in this argument is the same used in all of the above arguments.
When you actually take all factors in to account, the actual practice of homosexuality has no causality to HIV infection. That would be like saying because I like to go the beach, I will die of skin cancer. While going to the beach puts you in a situation where you could be exposed to ultraviolet radiation, if you are actually aware of this situation and take proper measures to protect yourself, then you are responsible for the results.
You may choose not to go to the beach all together (which is what most people in this argument seem to say is the right decision when comparing this to homosexuality). However, then you\\\’ve destroyed something in your life to which you consider an enjoyable experience that would detract from your lifestyle as a whole. Most people on this forum probably would say that is a very ridiculous thing to do as going to the beach isn\\\’t bad. However, many religions in the world consider any form of display of skin (especially for women) to be an abomination sometimes even punishable by extremely serious measures. So saying \\\”You shouldn\\\’t be gay because my bible says you shouldn\\\’t be\\\” means that you shouldn\\\’t ever go the beach because someone else\\\’s beliefs says you shouldn\\\’t.
You of course have many other alternatives. You may decide to wear a hat and clothes, but then you might not enjoy the beach as much. You might decide to wear sunscreen, but then if you go in the water, it may wash off and you\\\’re exponsed to UV anyway. You may even decide to time going to the beach so that the sun is always lower in the sky and therefore, the ultraviolet levels are much lower. You could even say \\\”What ever! I don\\\’t care\\\” and lay out in the sun every single day knowing that your risk of skin cancer is quite a bit higher.
Asking people to change their lifestyle and identity (and honestly, the reason many are so angry about others threatening it), is like asking you to denounce your faith (or maybe simply giving up writing to gay people online telling them to stop being gay before it kills them). You have spent most of your life believing in Christ. You believe that his teachings are written in a book that you have based your believes and actions upon. If they asked you to throw the bible in the trash because it\\\’s just a large piece of fiction that causes more problems in the world than not, you\\\’d be pretty offended too. They\\\’re not saying they hate you, they hate the actions your faith causes.
In actuality, if you want to draw some correlations, strong religious dedication has an extremely high correlation to propensity to commit atrosicites regarded by most of the world as horrendous. All modern terrorism is founded on the ideals that someone\\\’s religious belief is so much better than anothers, that others who do not share that belief should die.
Does that mean that religion causes people to murder each other? Of course it doesn\\\’t (contrary to what people who are actually on my side of the argument may believe). Religion in general is a productive method of developing a person or society towards a constructive end. Does that mean I\\\’m condoning a religion? No, that is not true either. However, many take their beliefs and feel because they believe it, that others should as well. I\\\’m not going to argue whether the bible says homosexuality is wrong or not. Honestly it doens\\\’t really matter. Many people believe it does. Many people believe it doesn\\\’t. Both are right in their own beliefs since the bible in itself is only correct if you believe it is.
The primary point that telling people to stop being homosexuals in the name of \\\”protecting\\\” them based on a correlative statistical analysis is both unproductive and insulting. I\\\’m not going to tell you to stop believing in God simply because many people who do end up murdering others. If you truly want to help others from catching a deadly disease as you claim to, tell them to stop engaging in activities that directly cause infections or better yet, help provide them with alternatives which will lower their propensity for contracting the disease while still allowing them to enjoy their lives.
Unprotected sex with many partners is not a correlative statistic, it\\\’s a factual causality. No matter if you\\\’re homosexual or heterosexual, what causes HIV is the transfer of the disease from one person to another in a method that exchanges bodily fluids that contain the virus. This can happen through oral sex (though extremely rare and honestly there has never been any proven cases), anal sex, blood transfusions, and sharing of intravenous needles. Loving someone has never caused an HIV infection. Hating someone has never caused one either. Kissing someone, hugging someone, sleeping in the same bed as someone, sharing the same glass, nor any other personal contact has ever caused nor will ever cause an HIV infection. Spreading lies about anything to the contrary should be considered blafemous to anyone who considers themselves Christian simply because it propagates fear and hatred which is contrary to everything Jesus taught us.
Here\\\’s some good sound advice:
Instead of doing drugs and having unprotected sex, go to Disney World with your lover! Heck, you might get skin cancer from all that Florida sun, but at least you\\\’ll have a great time and won\\\’t catch HIV and you\\\’ll probably end up with some great pictures of both of you with Mickey Mouse. Plus, you\\\’ll be contributing to the American economy and helping us get out of this damn recession. Oh wait, I\\\’m sorry, I forgot that many of you believe Disney is evil too. Ok, so……..go to the park…..and buy popcorn. But don\\\’t put too much butter on it or you might end up dying of congestive heart failure.
Ok so the point is, giving someone advice about what to do with their lives simply because you think it will end up \\\”helping\\\” them won\\\’t help them in any way. Especially by posting it on some internet forum where everyone reading it has already made up their minds before they even got here. Do you honestly think anyone who found this article had any doubt before they got here as to what their understanding of \\\”The link between homosexuality and AIDS\\\” was? You knew that before you even posted it which means your motives weren\\\’t as \\\”saintly\\\” as you have been portraying. You posted this article simply to get out your frustrations and beliefs and to hear support from other people so you felt like you somehow \\\”bettered the world\\\” when in fact all you did was stir up a good debate. Which I think bettered the world a hell of a lot more than any of your advice. Yay for debates! Let\\\’s all keep communication open!
Dear All | Oct 29, 2009 | Reply
“When you actually take all factors in to account, the actual practice of homosexuality has no causality to HIV infection.” It does contribute to the RISKS was the point being made, just like a smoker may not ALWAYS get cancer, smoking still increases the RISKS of getting cancer and doctors do not for a second hesitate to discourage smoking.
As for the rambler above me, we did not spread lies here. It has been medically established (Even by homosexual advocates) that the behavior is risky.
Other behaviors are risky as well, which no one denies, but ANYTHING detrimental should be discouraged.
You said ” You knew that before you even posted it which means your motives weren\\\’t as \\\”saintly\\\” as you have been portraying. You posted this article simply to get out your frustrations and beliefs and to hear support from other people so you felt like you somehow \\\”bettered the world\\\” when in fact all you did was stir up a good debate.”
but the fact is, regardless of what you think, John told you his reasons for posting, it was to reach people (gay and straight alike) with information, information that may well save a life if the people would for one second listen without accusing anyone that discourages homosexuality of “hate”
Dear All,again | Oct 29, 2009 | Reply
As a P.S. to yinzara I referred to you as rambler due to the Length of your post, all long posts regardless of content could be considered rambling. I was not trying to insult you personally I tend to be a rambler myself at times. Anyway, the homosexuals have asked that we leave them alone, so that basically ended and “debate”. Those with ears to hear let them, for those who refuse the message has nonetheless been given.
John wrote this for informative reasons, take it or leave it, I will keep you all in my prayers.